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A(nother) Rant About ID3 Tags

I’ve written about the importance of ID3 tags before, but that was two years ago, and apparently many people are still not listening. (Shocking!) 

The Personal Problem

Besides, my most recent MP3 player (a Sansa Clip) has special new tricks in the podcast sorting department that mean I have to do extra tweaking on files that used to be fine. That’s a problem I should address to SanDisk rather than the general public, but just in case there are other Sansa users out there wondering why so many podcasts end up clumped under “Unknown”: you have to have an episode (track) number. It doesn’t matter what the number is. You could number every single episode of the podcast with “0” or “1” and it wouldn’t care, as long as there’s a number. But without it, it will stick the podcast into “Unknown” even though everything else is all right.

What’s more, the Sansa Clip insists on sorting podcasts by Album. Only. It will sort music by Artist, the way I used to sort my podcasts on my earlier Sansa, but this one groups podcasts by Album. This has proved to be a problem in several cases:

  1. NPR. I subscribe to the “Business Story of the Day” podcast, which, for some reason, uses the podcast episode title as the album.
  2. BlogTalkRadio. Any podcast they produce has “BlogTalkRadio” as the album. Um, no. I really want “Addicted to Race” listed separately from “The Publishing Insiders.” So I have to edit the ID3 tags myself before copying the files to the Sansa.
  3. FIR. Shel and Neville, you know I love you guys, but where everything used to show up together under “Neville Hobson and Shel Holtz,” the FIR Cuts are now in one place, the FIR Interviews in another, FIR Live in a third, and the Hobson and Holtz Report in a fourth.

All of these fall into the category of “minor nuisance,” since editing ID3 tags with AudioShell doesn’t take very long, but still, it’s a pain.

The Systemic Problem

Individuals producing podcasts through their own show blogs can learn to include ID3 tags in their MP3 files as well as in their feeds for iTunes. But what about podcasters who use third-party services to record?

When BlogTalkRadio first started producing podcast feeds, they didn’t have any non-iTunes ID3 tags at all. I talked to someone I knew who worked there, and they fixed that, or at least, they fixed it part way. (BlogTalkRadio should really come under “compilation” rather than “album” in the tags, the way Podiobooks.com does with their shows.)

TalkShoe’s podcasts still have no ID3 tags at all, and they’ve been around longer than BlogTalkRadio. Anytime I download an episode of WordPress Weekly, I have to fill in a whole lot more than just the track number, and I’m not even sure yet whether I like the show enough to take that much trouble.

And then there’s AudioBoo, the new kid on the easy-record podcast block. Not only “boos” short on ID3 tags (I’ve only seen title filled out), every single AudioBoo from every single user has the same file name: “recording.mp3.” Yeah, that’s really going to help me keep track of which one is which, or encourage me to subscribe.

And then there are all those free conference call services that offer to record your teleseminars, many of which will now produce a podcast feed for you. These often have gibberish file names and, at best, a title tag that says “Recorded call.” Really useful branding, that.

Since I don’t use iTunes, not having an iPod, I don’t know whether the tags are any better in iTunes. Perhaps I should try subscribing to some of those shows there, and find out. It might almost be worth it.

No. It couldn’t possibly be worth it. (Am I the only person in podcasting who thinks iTunes is an unbearable pain in the anatomy?)

The Solution?

Someone (uh, that would probably be you, ”˜Professor’ Goetsch, since you’re so passionate about it) needs to lobby these services to offer and encourage ID3 tag editing for the MP3 files they produce.

And someone—which would also be me, and which I’m trying to do by writing this when I should be engaged in something billable—needs to educate podcasters and others who want to use audio in their marketing and consulting about why ID3 tags are so freakin’ important. Hmm. I feel a “top 10” article coming on. Or at least a “top 5.”

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3 Comments so far

  1. Jeffro August 18th, 2009 9:10 pm

    Thanks for the feedback regarding the podcast. I have no control over the addition of ID3 tags simply as you put it, Talkshoe doesn’t add them automatically. They have since gone through a CEO change and they are looking at feedback going forward. I’ll be sure to mention this idea to the people that need to know and maybe we can get something done about this.

    If you don’t like the show, feel free to tell me why.

  2. Sallie Goetsch August 18th, 2009 9:36 pm

    Thanks for your comment, Jeff. I’ve just started listening to your show. The impression I get is that I’m eavesdropping, that the conversation is for the participants more than for any other listeners. But I haven’t listened to enough episodes to know whether that’s a fair assessment of the show as a whole, and it would probably have been forever before I learned about the Elastic Theme Framework if I hadn’t listened.

    I will pester TalkShoe about the ID3 tags myself, though I don’t know whether I know anyone there. I probably met the former CEO at Podcast Expo sometime.

  3. Jeffro August 18th, 2009 9:55 pm

    The show varies from week to week. Some nights it’s an hour interview with a special guest. Other nights it’s my co host and I going through the new stories of the week and on other nights, it’s an open mic show where anyone in the community can call in and just talk WordPress or whatever which is what the most recent episode or two was like. I invite you to continue listening as I have interview with Jonathan Davis of the shopp plugin, Adii of WooThemes and Andy Peatling of BuddyPress scheduled.

    I know and talk with the talkshoe support representatives who have communication ties with the CEO of Talkshoe. I’ll pass the word along but having you do it as well won’t hurt.